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In this episode (recorded May 9, 2014), Sam sits down with Kathy Nevins. The original show notes read: In this episode, I have a long conversation with Bethel Psychology professor Kathy Nevins. Kathy was one of the most important influential teachers that I had as a student at Bethel. She shares her thoughts about reading widely, creative tension, teaching empathy, and much, much, more."

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